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Record of the meeting No. (3) Thursday (11/24/2011) M
Wednesday November 30, 2011
Second round of elections
The second legislative year
The second legislative term
Quorum: (225) members.
The session began with time (10:40) in the morning.
- Mr. Speaker: -
In the name of God the Merciful
Behalf of the people we open the third session of the legislative term of the second year, the second legislative session of the second election. We begin by reading verses from the Koran.
- MP Mohammad Al-Amin Hassan Faraj Allah: -
Recite the verses from the Koran.
- Mr. Speaker: -
I hope everyone footage of ballots, and I was from the department concerned has been provided to all members who have lost their cards before a new card and I hope everyone put the cards in order to know the number of devices present inside the hall.
- MP Bayazid Hassan Abdullah Mohammed: -
I propose to circulate the draft laws to the members before the day of voting as the current practice is that the draft legislation prepared for the vote distributed to members before the start of the meeting for a vote and this does not allow members to find out their proposals in the second reading is taken into consideration? Or not in the Committee on?
- Mr. Speaker: -
This is true, and the vote will be on Thursday of each week time means every fifteen days to one day have to vote, laws must be distributed in one day for there to be enough time for decision.
- MP Saman Fawzi Omer Mohamed (point system): -
The point of order relating to the concept of violation of the text content in the article (55) of the Constitution about voting in secret as well as Article (53) of the Constitution on the number of sessions of the Council of Representatives. This method to the vote and called the electronic voting is a vote in secret, even if the right deputies know the names of voters and abstainers after days or hours on the conduct of the voting and electronic voting will be in one case publicly if it appeared on the screen before us the position of each deputy to vote no should to show the colors of red, yellow and white when the vote on this screen like some of the advanced democratic countries such as the Italian parliament, and not only be assured of our voice and manipulated by and we can not in all cases to resort to part-mail demanding the names of voters.
- Mr. Speaker: -
We discussed this topic at the meeting and assured everyone that the voting public, not secret and the names appear as it is now apparent upon request and if you want to vote Njhzakm lists all of your voices to be assured.
- MP Mohammed Khader Fuad Masum: -
For the coalition governments are supposed to be some kind of public to vote for that most decisions will be according to the consensus and when the vote is by show of hands the meaning of that trust would, in the British Parliament and the German whole show of hands, because their government coalition and thus to block the loss of confidence between the blocks also we We suggest that we continue to raise their hands and not the electronic device, which were not used it yet possible to use for training times so as to insure him.
- Mr. Speaker: -
This is obtained by a decision of the House of Representatives and the agreement of all preparations were made for this and if you want to know the names which in the majority of laws are not there are differences in decisions in which disagreement and competition, we can show the names before you and you know and who wants to raise the hands at the same time there is no objection to the lifting of hands.
- MP Abdul Rahman Hassan Khaled Alloizi (point system): -
Article IV of the rules of procedure, I think depriving the member from voting for the absence of the card has no support in the rules of procedure and if you wish you can modify the rules of procedure according to Article (148) to have a legal basis to deny a member of the vote if he was present and did not have the card.
- Mr. Speaker: -
How many subscribers do not have a card yet? I hope to raise the hands.
About twenty members.
Ahterma of the masters of Representatives will vote this vote today, such as before, but this last time and next time the cards were incomplete, which make up the card immediately and attend an important card in order to avoid the issue of signing and always make sure a quorum.
The second paragraph vote on the resolution before the Legal Committee on the withdrawal of U.S. forces.
- MP Khalid Saeed Shwani peace: -
Yesterday we had a meeting of the Legal Committee did note the receipt of any letter from the board of the Presidency or the ad hoc committee ask the Legal Committee of the drawers of the draft study of a proposed decision and re-drafting of the legal and this morning stated that the decision to the Legal Committee and there was no meeting of the Legal Committee. Therefore, we could not export its resolution to the House of Representatives for a vote and in a matter of only technically, without objection on other core issues.
- Mr. Speaker: -
Reads the resolution is voted on.
- MP Ali Hassan Salman Jumaili: -
Two days ago, we intercepted and said the decision vote for him to take technical measures right and I am surprised this method and ask for any decision must take technical measures and legal, and in principle we have no objection, but there are issues related to the government why do not attend and the issue of withdrawal is a serious issue and important and we have asked months ago, in the presence of government The commander of the armed forces and shows us the topic and the fact that being that we hear only from the media and the issue of American withdrawal is not an issue plot even ask, they say, partners politicians involved in the plot and ask to attend the government and the commander of the armed forces to explain to the House of Representatives and the people of what is located even vote on the evidence. Today we are voting on the logo only the exit of occupation forces, and certainly we vote and we want to move this process to be out correctly and fundamentalist.
- MP Mahmoud Saleh al-Hasan: -
This is not a decision, but certainly on the recommendation of the government to abide by the security agreement is a binding resolution.
- MP Sardar Abdullah Mahmoud Times: -
If we voted today on the draft resolution and committed by the government and a few days after attending the Commander in Chief of the armed forces of the Parliament and displays the security situation and the readiness of the armed forces and the extent of Kabalh Iraq and its security needs and defense if it is found that this decision Ostjlna by no people in Iraq did not review the same in this matter and must be describes all the things to be aware.
- Mr. Speaker: -
House of Representatives at the last meeting decided to Hosting the Prime Minister to explain the issue of American withdrawal and the readiness of security forces, and I leave the option in front of the House either to vote now on the resolution or postpone the vote after hosting the Prime Minister and leave the option for the Council to decide, are you with the postponement of the decision until the Hosting Mr. Prime Minister?
Who want to postpone the decision until after the hosting?
The number of votes (142) of the total deputies (225).
(Postpone the decision until after the host, Mr. Prime Minister).
The third paragraph of the vote in principle the draft Code of Criminal Procedure, the military. Read law and obtained a first reading of the objection in principle.
Now I ask the House to vote in principle, do you keep the law? Or respond to the law?
- MP Hassan Hamid Hassan Sinead: -
The military side has the sanctions and the parliament approved this military sanctions in the law of a former and these sanctions do not exist only in a manner the assets of the trials, the mechanism by which trial of the military is falling short, so there should be a mechanism means the Code of Criminal Procedure is a mechanism to punish Palmqsr and rewarding improved and this requires us to vote on this law in principle.
- Mr. Speaker: -
I hear the opinion of the objectors was yesterday.
- Deputy Secretary of the spectrum Mustafa Haji: -
Preferred by MP Hassan Sinead, correctly, we need a Code of military trials for as long as our military penal code, but we have a Code of trials and if we have to amend the old law should be for the better, not worse and the expansion of emergency powers. Yes, the military justice is to eliminate an existing, but is in all cases eliminate exceptional compared with the ordinary courts and always distributions are for the benefit of the ordinary courts at the expense of military justice, but here in this law and this project, the reasons stated explicitly intended to expand the powers of the Commander in Chief and Minister of Defense and the Minister of the Interior. So I say to our law and due process in order not to be confused when some but the problem is the distribution of these powers for the worse and we want to be for the better.
- Mr. Speaker: -
Now agree on the response of law in principle? Calculate the votes.
- MP Khalid Saeed Shwani peace: -
This is a draft law forwarded by the government regardless of favors as deputy nice Mustafa fact that we have a penal code special military must have a Code of special military trials for the formation of the Court and the implementation of these sanctions and their application to the soldier negligent or military accused, but I noticed now the fear in the powers of the many for some those who want to dominate the judiciary and give exceptional cases define the powers of the military judge who tried the accused. So I suggest to you that shows the vote this proposal to continue the debate in the law but in accordance to the mandate as well as a substantial amendments.
- Mr. Speaker: -
This is not true in the rules of procedure, in principle accepted or rejected and after debate and amendment occurs.
- MP Mahmoud Saleh al-Hasan: -
I find it odd to speak of the fact that the law says the law of exceptional, this is not exceptional, the scope of this Act shall apply to military personnel only and does not include civilians, this is first.
Second: Do not disable the legislation means that the military courts and has no authority over civilians.
- Mr. Speaker: -
It is up to the House of Representatives approved a response from the law in principle? Calculate the votes.
Who agreed (76) just to be clear figure.
(Council approved the continuation of the law by legislation).
The fourth paragraph vote on the draft Law on the Ministry of Commerce.
- MP Salim Abdullah Ahmad Jubouri (point system): -
The point of order relating to the preceding paragraph of Article (132) case, in principle, always put the bills to accept, is approved by the Council on the continuity and the way came from the subtraction, which falls on the response? And say who originally agreed to continue, vote for the one who wants to continue, not who wants to respond.
- Mr. Speaker: -
The point of order is correct, but the majority were clear calls constantly law.
- MP Ibrahim panic Dhlh Rikabi: -
Read the report of the Committee of Economy and Investment on the draft Code of Commerce. (Facilities)
- MP Khalil Qassem Mahma Alsnjara: -
Read the first article of the Law on the Ministry of Commerce.
- Mr. Speaker: -
Vote on the first article.
(The vote).
- MP Khalil Qassem Mahma Alsnjara: -
Read the second article.
- Mr. Speaker: -
Vote on Article II.
(The vote).
- MP Khalil Qassem Mahma Alsnjara: -
Read article III.
- MP Mustafa Latif Amin Haji (point system): -
Article (110) of the Constitution the powers of the federal government is the sovereign foreign trade and domestic trade are not the prerogative of the federal government any internal trade, but left to the provinces and territories. In the whole article and article (3) Paragraph IX specifically talk about the competence of the Ministry of Commerce.
- Mr. Speaker: -
If the violation of the Constitution shall be the objection after that.
Vote on article III.
(The vote).
- Attorney Joseph Hadjim Sultan al-Tai: -
Read Article IV.
- Mr. Speaker: -
Vote on Article IV.
(The vote).
- Attorney Joseph Hadjim Sultan al-Tai: -
Article V reads.
- MP Walid Muhammad Ghaffar jewelry (a point of order): -
This article violates the Iraqi Constitution, Article (25) of the Constitution State guarantees the reform of the Iraqi economy according to modern economic bases, to ensure that all its resources and investment to diversify its sources and encouraging private sector development.
- Mr. Speaker: -
This discussion of the law and there is no objection to this day, if there was an interception in the rules of procedure on the mechanism of the vote, the law has been discussed in committee and views and if there is violation of the objection in federal court after that.
Vote on the fifth article.
(Were the consent of a majority vote).
- MP Qusay Fri Ebadi Haj: -
Read Article VI.
- Mr. Speaker: -
Vote on Article VI.
(The vote).
- MP Qusay Fri Ebadi Haj: -
Read Article VII.
- Mr. Speaker: -
Vote on Article VII.
(The vote).
- MP Qusay Fri Ebadi Haj: -
Read Article VIII.
- Mr. Speaker: -
Vote on Article VIII.
(The vote).
- MP Qusay Fri Ebadi Haj: -
Read Article IX.
- Mr. Speaker: -
Vote on Article IX.
(Was voted to approve).
- MP Qusay Fri Ebadi Haj: -
Article X reads.
- Mr. Speaker: -
Vote on Article X.
(Was voted to approve).
- MP Qusay Fri Ebadi Haj: -
Read the reasons.
- Mr. Speaker: -
Vote on the law as a whole.
(Was voted to approve a bill and the Ministry of Commerce).
The fifth paragraph vote on the draft Law on the Ministry of Industry and Minerals. Committee on Economics and Investment, Committee on the work and services.
- Deputy Secretary of the spectrum Mustafa Haji (point system): -
Points of order especially the violation of the constitution and rules of procedure and conduct of the meetings may be substitutes in every special moment and we are in the process of passing laws if the information of the Council that there is the text of the laws issued in violation of the Constitution, then it is more attention to them before the vote if you do not pay attention to the Council when the appeal against it. Now I stab the law of the Ministry of Industry according to Article (110) of the Federal Constitution is not, but the powers of the Federal Industry and Minerals, is not exclusive and shared powers, but are the powers of regions and provinces. We are now the crisis, the provinces suffering from marginalization and demanding powers so as not to fall into the contradiction does not do wrong to the provinces and if we were afraid the unity of Iraq should reject these laws do not enact laws inconsistent with it once we claim with the powers of the provinces and the time we think the mentality of a central in either the House or Council of Ministers. I ask the Council of Representatives rejected these laws violate the federal Constitution and give the potential financial and human resources to these ministries to the provinces and territories.
- Mr. Speaker: -
This discussion and the opinions stated in the second reading and debate within the Commission. Vote now and there is no discussion, should be satisfied the constitutional and legal conditions. Yours and start reading.
- MP Mohammad Dawood Salman Saadi: -
Read the report of the Committee on the economy and investment. (Facilities)
- Attorney morning Globe Faleh Saadi (a point of order): -
Article (131) of the Rules Committee Chairman read the report of the competent and the promise of opinions contrary to the opinion of the majority of the Committee at the meeting for discussion, not the session for a vote. Should read the reports in a second meeting in the second reading, and not to vote.
- Mr. Speaker: -
This opinion is true and I am surprised that the Committee now read the report, why not read in the debate? Prefer the rule of Chairman of the Committee provided the answer.
- MP Jamil Ahmed Suleiman al-Alwani: -
Mr. President, these discussions and the second reading and we have discussed the report and the observations of the brothers of Representatives have been studied and included with the ministry and this was for illustrative purposes only.
- MP Mohammad Dawood Salman Saadi: -
Read the complete report.
- Mr. Speaker: -
Report does not exist here, in the Committee report printed and distributed to the MPs. Ladies and sovereignty of Representatives, if a quorum, we will upset a new dimension to attend and will be written both absent from the session with us this day to intensify the attendance and voting. Now I see a lot of the gentlemen had left the room, I ask everyone to return to the hall to complete our work on this important day.
- MP Mohammad Dawood Salman Saadi: -
Read the article (1) and Article (2) and Article (3) of the draft Law on the Ministry of Industry and Minerals.
- Mr. Speaker: -
Vote on the article (1).
(Was voted to approve).
Vote on the article (2).
(Was voted to approve).
Vote on the article (3).
(Was voted to approve).
- Attorney Thamer Abdul Hamza Mohammed Hussein al-Alwani (point system): -
The report submitted by the Committee that there is a material has been removed and that there is a material has been modified and when he reads the law, none of which is the proposed amendment.
- MP Abdul Mohsen Abdul-Salam al-Maliki Aremc: -
Read the article (4).
- Mr. Speaker: -
Vote on the article (4).
(Was voted to approve).
- Aziz, Deputy Sheriff Khudair Mayahi: -
Read the article (5) and Article (6) and Article (7).
- Mr. Speaker: -
Vote on the article (5).
(Was voted to approve).
Vote on the article (6).
(Was voted to approve).
Vote on the article (7).
(Was voted to approve).
- MP Abdul-Abbas Hammoud Salim Saadi: -
Read the article (
and Article (9) and Article (10) and Article (11).
- Mr. Speaker: -
Vote on the article (.
(Was voted to approve).
Vote on the article (9).
(Was voted to approve).
Vote on the article (10).
(Was voted to approve).
Vote on the article (11).
(Was voted to approve).
- MP Abdul-Abbas Hammoud Salim Saadi: -
Read the reasons.
- Mr. Speaker: -
Vote on the law as a whole.
(Was voted to approve the draft Law on the Ministry of Industry and Minerals).
The sixth paragraph to vote on a bill first amendment to the Tariff Act composting ownership number (22) for the year (2010). Committee on Economics, Investment and Finance Committee and the Legal Committee.
- MP Khalil Zaidan Khalaf Jibouri (point system): -
Appreciate your concern on the time to pass laws as the safest and correct, but some points of order raised by the Brotherhood of places containing the manner customary that when become paragraphs or materials deleted or modified, during the reading presented and voted upon to prevent the occurrence of problematic or jump on the opinion of the Board of Representatives.
- Mr. Speaker: -
The fact is our duty to respect the opinion of the House of Representatives, but these actions take place in committees, amendments and political blocs represented in all committees can decide when the law provides for the vote once and has met all opinions and put the final form of the vote, this is supposed to be not discussed in the voting day.
Mr. Chairman of the economy, do you forget the Department of the Inspector General at the Ministry of Industry by mistake? Ogheitamoha or are you? Or what?
- MP Baqer Abdullah Hammam Hammoudi Majeed: -
Each issue, however, left the minister to arrange the structure of the ministry.
- Mr. Speaker: -
Is there a department inspector general in the industry? I was the minister of industry, there are Department of the Inspector General.
- MP Baqer Abdullah Hammam Hammoudi Majeed: -
This new law, the Ministry of Industry where there is no structure.
- Mr. Speaker: -
I hear the legal opinion, there inadvertently Department of the Inspector General did not mention during the voting can now vote on the legislation.
- MP Mahmoud Saleh al-Hasan: -
Yes it possible, does not prevent, not in the rules of procedure in the Constitution is not possible to re-vote.
- Mr. Speaker: -
Mr. Chairman, you are OK to talk? It is found inadvertently.
- MP Riad Abdul-Hamza Abdul Razzaq is strange: -
Even if not mentioned in the law departments of the Inspector General where the special law and therefore mentioned and not mentioned does not hurt because there is a special law in it.
- Mr. Speaker: -
After all there are in the ministry.
Now we vote on the introduction of the Department of the Inspector General within the structure of the Ministry of Industry.
(Was voted to approve).
- MP Haider Jawad Kazem Abadi: -
Read the second reading of the bill customs tariff.
There is a minority in the proposal of the Finance Committee, a law is valid until 31/12/2011 This is a substitute for, who said the amendment requires the enforcement of this law, a statement issued by the Council of Ministers.
- Mr. Speaker: -
There are two options in front of the House I (entry into force of the law specifies a statement issued by the Council of Ministers) the second (this law is valid up to 31.12.2011), means now vote on the proposed first and which is further from the text (This applies to the law until 31/12 / 2011) to agree to this formula? Read the amendment to us first.
- MP Haider Jawad Kazem Abadi: -
Amendment (This law shall apply until 12.31.2011).
- Mr. Speaker: -
Mr. Chairman of the Finance Committee, the first article Bkhiareha contradiction of Article II. Article II (to be executed from the date of publication in the Official Journal) article of which the first two options differ from the second article. They pointed us to this subject.
- MP Haider Jawad Kazem Abadi: -
Into force of the law is legally after publication in the Official Gazette this issue again, but in the law when the law is applied customs tariff, which Oqrenah in 2010 was postponed, and should be applied in 31/3/2011. Government can not be applied for several reasons, because of the unrealistic that border crossings is fully controlled and there is a problem in customs.
The second issue has become a political objection by citizens and by the House of Representatives on the application of this law and on time has been discussed here on the pretext that there is inflation and raise the prices on citizens. The government decided not to apply because it may not apply the law without government approval of the Council of Representatives. Now apply this law when out in the law says the government estimated that the circumstances and determined to enforce the law. Proposed amendment does not say let them implement it the end of this year. This amendment required to invite the Government to apply the customs tariff on 1/1/2012.
- Mr. Speaker: -
Attorney Mahmoud Hassan, ask Is there a contradiction between Article I and II?
- MP Mahmoud Saleh al-Hasan: -
There is no contradiction in the fact, but is also prefer the issue needed to estimates, these estimates may be timely, issuance of legislation identifying the customs tariff this is difficult in all financial legislation can not be for Parliament to determine when to start and when will it end, but it leaves to the government to speed its adoption, It is possible, starting to vote on this.
- Ali Hussein Bahaa al-Araji: -
Mr. President, this dangerous precedent, the law prescribed by any law when the House of Representatives there are two ways to access the Official Gazette or the date of the vote and this is what happened. There are now shortening the institution of the state, the government carried out, I mean this will give way to many laws do not adhere to the government, then we come again another law. I say delete this paragraph and write the presidency to the government if there was a need to enforce the law.
- Mr. Speaker: -
This topic has been no discussion, we are talking now about the vote. We disagree on the law takes effect, there are two opinions are the Official Gazette.
- MP Ali Hossein Reza Keywords: -
Article II speaks out about the legality of the law, illegal and legal origin of the law regardless of the materials and details of materials, the material before talking about the practical application of the entry into force of the customs tariff, other than the article would force out the law.
- MP Khalid Abu Dharr gift angry: -
In fact, I find that there is a clear contradiction between Article (11), Article (11) This is wrong, this should be the rule (2) because both articles talk about different date for the other to access and therefore must be committed to fixing the date of entry into force of one, if I want to maintain Article assigned for determining the effective date to the Council of Ministers, should be, so let's say in the article, which he followed this law shall be published in the Official Gazette only and does not talk about force.
- Attorney morning Globe Faleh Saadi: -
This dangerous precedent to suspend the operation of a particular law to a statement from the Council of Ministers. In the Iraqi state since its creation in 1923 to the present day there is no comment on the statement of the law of the Council of Ministers into force, supposed to be applied customs tariff law from the date of 31/12 or from the date of the statement of the Council of Ministers its application, and the force of law, from the date of publication in the the Official Gazette. But this supposed to come and hang it on a statement from the Council of Ministers, meaning the abolition of the role of the Legislative Council of Representatives that the legislation which three things, the legislation first and second and third force deployment.
- Deputy Amir Tahir Hussain Kanani: -
Mr. President, the validity of the Council of Ministers starts when? Begins when the law shall be published in the Official Gazette and become enforceable. To the effective date of the date of publication in the Official Gazette, the remaining validity of the Council of Ministers when he wants to implement the law and sets tariffs or not, this is up to the discretion of the Council of Ministers but the law must be in force until the Council has the minister this power, therefore it is implemented this law from the date of publication in the Official Gazette is this correct, and the issue of granting this authority to the Cabinet or not, this issue is left to the House of Representatives, do you leave that power to the Council of Ministers? Or must the Council of Ministers to the implementation of the law of customs tariff in force from the date of 31/3/2011?
- MP Saleh Mehdi Hasnawi demand: -
Mr. President, there is complete mixing between the beginning of the tariff and customs law enforcement. Beginning of the meet is the collection of customs tariffs, it could be identified on the full force of law, the law, we can say that (begins collecting customs tariff, or to complete a specific date or leave it to the Council of Ministers).
- Mr. Speaker: -
This delay after the break and I hope to get to the legal formula does not vary or contradict the rules of procedure or the Constitution so that we can vote them out and the Commission's opinion or two opinions of the vote, but not contrary.
The meeting rose at the time of the break (12:00) pm
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Wednesday November 30, 2011
Second round of elections
The second legislative year
The second legislative term
Quorum: (225) members.
The session began with time (10:40) in the morning.
- Mr. Speaker: -
In the name of God the Merciful
Behalf of the people we open the third session of the legislative term of the second year, the second legislative session of the second election. We begin by reading verses from the Koran.
- MP Mohammad Al-Amin Hassan Faraj Allah: -
Recite the verses from the Koran.
- Mr. Speaker: -
I hope everyone footage of ballots, and I was from the department concerned has been provided to all members who have lost their cards before a new card and I hope everyone put the cards in order to know the number of devices present inside the hall.
- MP Bayazid Hassan Abdullah Mohammed: -
I propose to circulate the draft laws to the members before the day of voting as the current practice is that the draft legislation prepared for the vote distributed to members before the start of the meeting for a vote and this does not allow members to find out their proposals in the second reading is taken into consideration? Or not in the Committee on?
- Mr. Speaker: -
This is true, and the vote will be on Thursday of each week time means every fifteen days to one day have to vote, laws must be distributed in one day for there to be enough time for decision.
- MP Saman Fawzi Omer Mohamed (point system): -
The point of order relating to the concept of violation of the text content in the article (55) of the Constitution about voting in secret as well as Article (53) of the Constitution on the number of sessions of the Council of Representatives. This method to the vote and called the electronic voting is a vote in secret, even if the right deputies know the names of voters and abstainers after days or hours on the conduct of the voting and electronic voting will be in one case publicly if it appeared on the screen before us the position of each deputy to vote no should to show the colors of red, yellow and white when the vote on this screen like some of the advanced democratic countries such as the Italian parliament, and not only be assured of our voice and manipulated by and we can not in all cases to resort to part-mail demanding the names of voters.
- Mr. Speaker: -
We discussed this topic at the meeting and assured everyone that the voting public, not secret and the names appear as it is now apparent upon request and if you want to vote Njhzakm lists all of your voices to be assured.
- MP Mohammed Khader Fuad Masum: -
For the coalition governments are supposed to be some kind of public to vote for that most decisions will be according to the consensus and when the vote is by show of hands the meaning of that trust would, in the British Parliament and the German whole show of hands, because their government coalition and thus to block the loss of confidence between the blocks also we We suggest that we continue to raise their hands and not the electronic device, which were not used it yet possible to use for training times so as to insure him.
- Mr. Speaker: -
This is obtained by a decision of the House of Representatives and the agreement of all preparations were made for this and if you want to know the names which in the majority of laws are not there are differences in decisions in which disagreement and competition, we can show the names before you and you know and who wants to raise the hands at the same time there is no objection to the lifting of hands.
- MP Abdul Rahman Hassan Khaled Alloizi (point system): -
Article IV of the rules of procedure, I think depriving the member from voting for the absence of the card has no support in the rules of procedure and if you wish you can modify the rules of procedure according to Article (148) to have a legal basis to deny a member of the vote if he was present and did not have the card.
- Mr. Speaker: -
How many subscribers do not have a card yet? I hope to raise the hands.
About twenty members.
Ahterma of the masters of Representatives will vote this vote today, such as before, but this last time and next time the cards were incomplete, which make up the card immediately and attend an important card in order to avoid the issue of signing and always make sure a quorum.
The second paragraph vote on the resolution before the Legal Committee on the withdrawal of U.S. forces.
- MP Khalid Saeed Shwani peace: -
Yesterday we had a meeting of the Legal Committee did note the receipt of any letter from the board of the Presidency or the ad hoc committee ask the Legal Committee of the drawers of the draft study of a proposed decision and re-drafting of the legal and this morning stated that the decision to the Legal Committee and there was no meeting of the Legal Committee. Therefore, we could not export its resolution to the House of Representatives for a vote and in a matter of only technically, without objection on other core issues.
- Mr. Speaker: -
Reads the resolution is voted on.
- MP Ali Hassan Salman Jumaili: -
Two days ago, we intercepted and said the decision vote for him to take technical measures right and I am surprised this method and ask for any decision must take technical measures and legal, and in principle we have no objection, but there are issues related to the government why do not attend and the issue of withdrawal is a serious issue and important and we have asked months ago, in the presence of government The commander of the armed forces and shows us the topic and the fact that being that we hear only from the media and the issue of American withdrawal is not an issue plot even ask, they say, partners politicians involved in the plot and ask to attend the government and the commander of the armed forces to explain to the House of Representatives and the people of what is located even vote on the evidence. Today we are voting on the logo only the exit of occupation forces, and certainly we vote and we want to move this process to be out correctly and fundamentalist.
- MP Mahmoud Saleh al-Hasan: -
This is not a decision, but certainly on the recommendation of the government to abide by the security agreement is a binding resolution.
- MP Sardar Abdullah Mahmoud Times: -
If we voted today on the draft resolution and committed by the government and a few days after attending the Commander in Chief of the armed forces of the Parliament and displays the security situation and the readiness of the armed forces and the extent of Kabalh Iraq and its security needs and defense if it is found that this decision Ostjlna by no people in Iraq did not review the same in this matter and must be describes all the things to be aware.
- Mr. Speaker: -
House of Representatives at the last meeting decided to Hosting the Prime Minister to explain the issue of American withdrawal and the readiness of security forces, and I leave the option in front of the House either to vote now on the resolution or postpone the vote after hosting the Prime Minister and leave the option for the Council to decide, are you with the postponement of the decision until the Hosting Mr. Prime Minister?
Who want to postpone the decision until after the hosting?
The number of votes (142) of the total deputies (225).
(Postpone the decision until after the host, Mr. Prime Minister).
The third paragraph of the vote in principle the draft Code of Criminal Procedure, the military. Read law and obtained a first reading of the objection in principle.
Now I ask the House to vote in principle, do you keep the law? Or respond to the law?
- MP Hassan Hamid Hassan Sinead: -
The military side has the sanctions and the parliament approved this military sanctions in the law of a former and these sanctions do not exist only in a manner the assets of the trials, the mechanism by which trial of the military is falling short, so there should be a mechanism means the Code of Criminal Procedure is a mechanism to punish Palmqsr and rewarding improved and this requires us to vote on this law in principle.
- Mr. Speaker: -
I hear the opinion of the objectors was yesterday.
- Deputy Secretary of the spectrum Mustafa Haji: -
Preferred by MP Hassan Sinead, correctly, we need a Code of military trials for as long as our military penal code, but we have a Code of trials and if we have to amend the old law should be for the better, not worse and the expansion of emergency powers. Yes, the military justice is to eliminate an existing, but is in all cases eliminate exceptional compared with the ordinary courts and always distributions are for the benefit of the ordinary courts at the expense of military justice, but here in this law and this project, the reasons stated explicitly intended to expand the powers of the Commander in Chief and Minister of Defense and the Minister of the Interior. So I say to our law and due process in order not to be confused when some but the problem is the distribution of these powers for the worse and we want to be for the better.
- Mr. Speaker: -
Now agree on the response of law in principle? Calculate the votes.
- MP Khalid Saeed Shwani peace: -
This is a draft law forwarded by the government regardless of favors as deputy nice Mustafa fact that we have a penal code special military must have a Code of special military trials for the formation of the Court and the implementation of these sanctions and their application to the soldier negligent or military accused, but I noticed now the fear in the powers of the many for some those who want to dominate the judiciary and give exceptional cases define the powers of the military judge who tried the accused. So I suggest to you that shows the vote this proposal to continue the debate in the law but in accordance to the mandate as well as a substantial amendments.
- Mr. Speaker: -
This is not true in the rules of procedure, in principle accepted or rejected and after debate and amendment occurs.
- MP Mahmoud Saleh al-Hasan: -
I find it odd to speak of the fact that the law says the law of exceptional, this is not exceptional, the scope of this Act shall apply to military personnel only and does not include civilians, this is first.
Second: Do not disable the legislation means that the military courts and has no authority over civilians.
- Mr. Speaker: -
It is up to the House of Representatives approved a response from the law in principle? Calculate the votes.
Who agreed (76) just to be clear figure.
(Council approved the continuation of the law by legislation).
The fourth paragraph vote on the draft Law on the Ministry of Commerce.
- MP Salim Abdullah Ahmad Jubouri (point system): -
The point of order relating to the preceding paragraph of Article (132) case, in principle, always put the bills to accept, is approved by the Council on the continuity and the way came from the subtraction, which falls on the response? And say who originally agreed to continue, vote for the one who wants to continue, not who wants to respond.
- Mr. Speaker: -
The point of order is correct, but the majority were clear calls constantly law.
- MP Ibrahim panic Dhlh Rikabi: -
Read the report of the Committee of Economy and Investment on the draft Code of Commerce. (Facilities)
- MP Khalil Qassem Mahma Alsnjara: -
Read the first article of the Law on the Ministry of Commerce.
- Mr. Speaker: -
Vote on the first article.
(The vote).
- MP Khalil Qassem Mahma Alsnjara: -
Read the second article.
- Mr. Speaker: -
Vote on Article II.
(The vote).
- MP Khalil Qassem Mahma Alsnjara: -
Read article III.
- MP Mustafa Latif Amin Haji (point system): -
Article (110) of the Constitution the powers of the federal government is the sovereign foreign trade and domestic trade are not the prerogative of the federal government any internal trade, but left to the provinces and territories. In the whole article and article (3) Paragraph IX specifically talk about the competence of the Ministry of Commerce.
- Mr. Speaker: -
If the violation of the Constitution shall be the objection after that.
Vote on article III.
(The vote).
- Attorney Joseph Hadjim Sultan al-Tai: -
Read Article IV.
- Mr. Speaker: -
Vote on Article IV.
(The vote).
- Attorney Joseph Hadjim Sultan al-Tai: -
Article V reads.
- MP Walid Muhammad Ghaffar jewelry (a point of order): -
This article violates the Iraqi Constitution, Article (25) of the Constitution State guarantees the reform of the Iraqi economy according to modern economic bases, to ensure that all its resources and investment to diversify its sources and encouraging private sector development.
- Mr. Speaker: -
This discussion of the law and there is no objection to this day, if there was an interception in the rules of procedure on the mechanism of the vote, the law has been discussed in committee and views and if there is violation of the objection in federal court after that.
Vote on the fifth article.
(Were the consent of a majority vote).
- MP Qusay Fri Ebadi Haj: -
Read Article VI.
- Mr. Speaker: -
Vote on Article VI.
(The vote).
- MP Qusay Fri Ebadi Haj: -
Read Article VII.
- Mr. Speaker: -
Vote on Article VII.
(The vote).
- MP Qusay Fri Ebadi Haj: -
Read Article VIII.
- Mr. Speaker: -
Vote on Article VIII.
(The vote).
- MP Qusay Fri Ebadi Haj: -
Read Article IX.
- Mr. Speaker: -
Vote on Article IX.
(Was voted to approve).
- MP Qusay Fri Ebadi Haj: -
Article X reads.
- Mr. Speaker: -
Vote on Article X.
(Was voted to approve).
- MP Qusay Fri Ebadi Haj: -
Read the reasons.
- Mr. Speaker: -
Vote on the law as a whole.
(Was voted to approve a bill and the Ministry of Commerce).
The fifth paragraph vote on the draft Law on the Ministry of Industry and Minerals. Committee on Economics and Investment, Committee on the work and services.
- Deputy Secretary of the spectrum Mustafa Haji (point system): -
Points of order especially the violation of the constitution and rules of procedure and conduct of the meetings may be substitutes in every special moment and we are in the process of passing laws if the information of the Council that there is the text of the laws issued in violation of the Constitution, then it is more attention to them before the vote if you do not pay attention to the Council when the appeal against it. Now I stab the law of the Ministry of Industry according to Article (110) of the Federal Constitution is not, but the powers of the Federal Industry and Minerals, is not exclusive and shared powers, but are the powers of regions and provinces. We are now the crisis, the provinces suffering from marginalization and demanding powers so as not to fall into the contradiction does not do wrong to the provinces and if we were afraid the unity of Iraq should reject these laws do not enact laws inconsistent with it once we claim with the powers of the provinces and the time we think the mentality of a central in either the House or Council of Ministers. I ask the Council of Representatives rejected these laws violate the federal Constitution and give the potential financial and human resources to these ministries to the provinces and territories.
- Mr. Speaker: -
This discussion and the opinions stated in the second reading and debate within the Commission. Vote now and there is no discussion, should be satisfied the constitutional and legal conditions. Yours and start reading.
- MP Mohammad Dawood Salman Saadi: -
Read the report of the Committee on the economy and investment. (Facilities)
- Attorney morning Globe Faleh Saadi (a point of order): -
Article (131) of the Rules Committee Chairman read the report of the competent and the promise of opinions contrary to the opinion of the majority of the Committee at the meeting for discussion, not the session for a vote. Should read the reports in a second meeting in the second reading, and not to vote.
- Mr. Speaker: -
This opinion is true and I am surprised that the Committee now read the report, why not read in the debate? Prefer the rule of Chairman of the Committee provided the answer.
- MP Jamil Ahmed Suleiman al-Alwani: -
Mr. President, these discussions and the second reading and we have discussed the report and the observations of the brothers of Representatives have been studied and included with the ministry and this was for illustrative purposes only.
- MP Mohammad Dawood Salman Saadi: -
Read the complete report.
- Mr. Speaker: -
Report does not exist here, in the Committee report printed and distributed to the MPs. Ladies and sovereignty of Representatives, if a quorum, we will upset a new dimension to attend and will be written both absent from the session with us this day to intensify the attendance and voting. Now I see a lot of the gentlemen had left the room, I ask everyone to return to the hall to complete our work on this important day.
- MP Mohammad Dawood Salman Saadi: -
Read the article (1) and Article (2) and Article (3) of the draft Law on the Ministry of Industry and Minerals.
- Mr. Speaker: -
Vote on the article (1).
(Was voted to approve).
Vote on the article (2).
(Was voted to approve).
Vote on the article (3).
(Was voted to approve).
- Attorney Thamer Abdul Hamza Mohammed Hussein al-Alwani (point system): -
The report submitted by the Committee that there is a material has been removed and that there is a material has been modified and when he reads the law, none of which is the proposed amendment.
- MP Abdul Mohsen Abdul-Salam al-Maliki Aremc: -
Read the article (4).
- Mr. Speaker: -
Vote on the article (4).
(Was voted to approve).
- Aziz, Deputy Sheriff Khudair Mayahi: -
Read the article (5) and Article (6) and Article (7).
- Mr. Speaker: -
Vote on the article (5).
(Was voted to approve).
Vote on the article (6).
(Was voted to approve).
Vote on the article (7).
(Was voted to approve).
- MP Abdul-Abbas Hammoud Salim Saadi: -
Read the article (
and Article (9) and Article (10) and Article (11). - Mr. Speaker: -
Vote on the article (
. (Was voted to approve).
Vote on the article (9).
(Was voted to approve).
Vote on the article (10).
(Was voted to approve).
Vote on the article (11).
(Was voted to approve).
- MP Abdul-Abbas Hammoud Salim Saadi: -
Read the reasons.
- Mr. Speaker: -
Vote on the law as a whole.
(Was voted to approve the draft Law on the Ministry of Industry and Minerals).
The sixth paragraph to vote on a bill first amendment to the Tariff Act composting ownership number (22) for the year (2010). Committee on Economics, Investment and Finance Committee and the Legal Committee.
- MP Khalil Zaidan Khalaf Jibouri (point system): -
Appreciate your concern on the time to pass laws as the safest and correct, but some points of order raised by the Brotherhood of places containing the manner customary that when become paragraphs or materials deleted or modified, during the reading presented and voted upon to prevent the occurrence of problematic or jump on the opinion of the Board of Representatives.
- Mr. Speaker: -
The fact is our duty to respect the opinion of the House of Representatives, but these actions take place in committees, amendments and political blocs represented in all committees can decide when the law provides for the vote once and has met all opinions and put the final form of the vote, this is supposed to be not discussed in the voting day.
Mr. Chairman of the economy, do you forget the Department of the Inspector General at the Ministry of Industry by mistake? Ogheitamoha or are you? Or what?
- MP Baqer Abdullah Hammam Hammoudi Majeed: -
Each issue, however, left the minister to arrange the structure of the ministry.
- Mr. Speaker: -
Is there a department inspector general in the industry? I was the minister of industry, there are Department of the Inspector General.
- MP Baqer Abdullah Hammam Hammoudi Majeed: -
This new law, the Ministry of Industry where there is no structure.
- Mr. Speaker: -
I hear the legal opinion, there inadvertently Department of the Inspector General did not mention during the voting can now vote on the legislation.
- MP Mahmoud Saleh al-Hasan: -
Yes it possible, does not prevent, not in the rules of procedure in the Constitution is not possible to re-vote.
- Mr. Speaker: -
Mr. Chairman, you are OK to talk? It is found inadvertently.
- MP Riad Abdul-Hamza Abdul Razzaq is strange: -
Even if not mentioned in the law departments of the Inspector General where the special law and therefore mentioned and not mentioned does not hurt because there is a special law in it.
- Mr. Speaker: -
After all there are in the ministry.
Now we vote on the introduction of the Department of the Inspector General within the structure of the Ministry of Industry.
(Was voted to approve).
- MP Haider Jawad Kazem Abadi: -
Read the second reading of the bill customs tariff.
There is a minority in the proposal of the Finance Committee, a law is valid until 31/12/2011 This is a substitute for, who said the amendment requires the enforcement of this law, a statement issued by the Council of Ministers.
- Mr. Speaker: -
There are two options in front of the House I (entry into force of the law specifies a statement issued by the Council of Ministers) the second (this law is valid up to 31.12.2011), means now vote on the proposed first and which is further from the text (This applies to the law until 31/12 / 2011) to agree to this formula? Read the amendment to us first.
- MP Haider Jawad Kazem Abadi: -
Amendment (This law shall apply until 12.31.2011).
- Mr. Speaker: -
Mr. Chairman of the Finance Committee, the first article Bkhiareha contradiction of Article II. Article II (to be executed from the date of publication in the Official Journal) article of which the first two options differ from the second article. They pointed us to this subject.
- MP Haider Jawad Kazem Abadi: -
Into force of the law is legally after publication in the Official Gazette this issue again, but in the law when the law is applied customs tariff, which Oqrenah in 2010 was postponed, and should be applied in 31/3/2011. Government can not be applied for several reasons, because of the unrealistic that border crossings is fully controlled and there is a problem in customs.
The second issue has become a political objection by citizens and by the House of Representatives on the application of this law and on time has been discussed here on the pretext that there is inflation and raise the prices on citizens. The government decided not to apply because it may not apply the law without government approval of the Council of Representatives. Now apply this law when out in the law says the government estimated that the circumstances and determined to enforce the law. Proposed amendment does not say let them implement it the end of this year. This amendment required to invite the Government to apply the customs tariff on 1/1/2012.
- Mr. Speaker: -
Attorney Mahmoud Hassan, ask Is there a contradiction between Article I and II?
- MP Mahmoud Saleh al-Hasan: -
There is no contradiction in the fact, but is also prefer the issue needed to estimates, these estimates may be timely, issuance of legislation identifying the customs tariff this is difficult in all financial legislation can not be for Parliament to determine when to start and when will it end, but it leaves to the government to speed its adoption, It is possible, starting to vote on this.
- Ali Hussein Bahaa al-Araji: -
Mr. President, this dangerous precedent, the law prescribed by any law when the House of Representatives there are two ways to access the Official Gazette or the date of the vote and this is what happened. There are now shortening the institution of the state, the government carried out, I mean this will give way to many laws do not adhere to the government, then we come again another law. I say delete this paragraph and write the presidency to the government if there was a need to enforce the law.
- Mr. Speaker: -
This topic has been no discussion, we are talking now about the vote. We disagree on the law takes effect, there are two opinions are the Official Gazette.
- MP Ali Hossein Reza Keywords: -
Article II speaks out about the legality of the law, illegal and legal origin of the law regardless of the materials and details of materials, the material before talking about the practical application of the entry into force of the customs tariff, other than the article would force out the law.
- MP Khalid Abu Dharr gift angry: -
In fact, I find that there is a clear contradiction between Article (11), Article (11) This is wrong, this should be the rule (2) because both articles talk about different date for the other to access and therefore must be committed to fixing the date of entry into force of one, if I want to maintain Article assigned for determining the effective date to the Council of Ministers, should be, so let's say in the article, which he followed this law shall be published in the Official Gazette only and does not talk about force.
- Attorney morning Globe Faleh Saadi: -
This dangerous precedent to suspend the operation of a particular law to a statement from the Council of Ministers. In the Iraqi state since its creation in 1923 to the present day there is no comment on the statement of the law of the Council of Ministers into force, supposed to be applied customs tariff law from the date of 31/12 or from the date of the statement of the Council of Ministers its application, and the force of law, from the date of publication in the the Official Gazette. But this supposed to come and hang it on a statement from the Council of Ministers, meaning the abolition of the role of the Legislative Council of Representatives that the legislation which three things, the legislation first and second and third force deployment.
- Deputy Amir Tahir Hussain Kanani: -
Mr. President, the validity of the Council of Ministers starts when? Begins when the law shall be published in the Official Gazette and become enforceable. To the effective date of the date of publication in the Official Gazette, the remaining validity of the Council of Ministers when he wants to implement the law and sets tariffs or not, this is up to the discretion of the Council of Ministers but the law must be in force until the Council has the minister this power, therefore it is implemented this law from the date of publication in the Official Gazette is this correct, and the issue of granting this authority to the Cabinet or not, this issue is left to the House of Representatives, do you leave that power to the Council of Ministers? Or must the Council of Ministers to the implementation of the law of customs tariff in force from the date of 31/3/2011?
- MP Saleh Mehdi Hasnawi demand: -
Mr. President, there is complete mixing between the beginning of the tariff and customs law enforcement. Beginning of the meet is the collection of customs tariffs, it could be identified on the full force of law, the law, we can say that (begins collecting customs tariff, or to complete a specific date or leave it to the Council of Ministers).
- Mr. Speaker: -
This delay after the break and I hope to get to the legal formula does not vary or contradict the rules of procedure or the Constitution so that we can vote them out and the Commission's opinion or two opinions of the vote, but not contrary.
The meeting rose at the time of the break (12:00) pm
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